iowa as well where there's a democratic retirement now up for grabs. in georgia you had saxbe who was the original member gang of six china come up with the debt reduction plan. he floated the idea of possibly raising taxes going along with bowls simpson and that really drew the irs conservatives. he retired. it doesn't matter who is going to replace him. democrats could win that race, remember. if a republican wins, very hard to see one of them coming out in favor of raising taxes. >> woodruff: you were mentioning the same thing you're seeing in the house. >> the house is one place where all of us would say how could the house get any more divided. you see people using pretty uncivil terms in the house more so than even the senate is call the upper chamber and the house sometimes derided as the lower chamber because of a lot of us. really what you're seeing because of a lot of moderates retiring a handful of states, democrats as well, you're going to see more of that movement to their own corners. >> woodruff: you know a lot of people look at this pol